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Siedhr (January 14th, 2003, 7:08 pm)

-a search engine for the forum and for the site (think big, guys! :))

-a way to notify the writer of new comments on his stories

-more publicity (aggresive one) like a forum announcement on DA. I talked to some people about this site and i tagged it into my signature. any other ideas?


cruise (January 14th, 2003, 9:34 pm)

I'll work on the search stuff, don't worry.

You are notified of new comments. They'll be listed at the top of the "submissions" members page...

I don't know the forums on dA at all. If you're willing, can I suggest you do the post on the dA forums?

As a general note, if anyone does have any ideas about publicity, please, go for it :P Double-check no one else is doing the same thing if you wish, but otherwise, there's no real need to wait for everyone to tell you yes...go ahead and do it and tell us after :P


Siedhr (January 14th, 2003, 11:05 pm)

ok, i'll put a forum post tomorrow. :)

Already there...

Semirrahge (January 15th, 2003, 7:56 am)

Everytime I post in a forum, I mention TSFE at LEAST once, and that's aside from my sig.

In the MT writers threads, I'm surprised I was not accused of spamming. :P

I thought about doing it on DA - but making the title of the post something like "Creationism Rules!" and then going off on TSFE junk. But I'm not that brazen. :)

I haven't mentioned TsfE anywhere...

Narainsbrain (January 15th, 2003, 11:28 am)

Because I don't really go to any places where I would do so. I don't haunt any fora except here, partly because this place itself eats up way too much of my time. Talk about a selfish meme. ;)

But I do have it linked in my dA sig!

I do have a thunk-big idea for search - in fact a whole integrated scheme for archived issues, oeuvres, the whole shebang. But it, to paraphrase Cruise, "depends on how much time Cruise has." =p

Well, I have a wqay of squeezing things in...

cruise (January 15th, 2003, 12:00 pm)

And I'm on a "concentrate on my websites" shtick at the moment, so let me know, and I'll see what I can may have noticed then when I get down to something, it doesn't take very long at all :P

Okay then,

Narainsbrain (January 17th, 2003, 1:30 pm)

Here goes!

Instead of the fiction / non-fiction areas, we divide the site into current issue / archive. The Archive will list ALL the things on the site that aren't in the current issue, i.e. previous issues as well as oeuvres. These will be accessible by controls at the top of the page, which will look like these below:

The Archive Sieve

View only submissions which
were written by
appeared in
contain the word(s) in the title body text

Edit: Added the other controls in a stubborn fit of HTMLitude.

The form should preferably use the GET method, so previous issues and user Oeuvres can be linked to via a direct URL.

Seems like a pretty flexible design to me. Whether coding it will be a simple matter remains to be seen. =)

Oops. Crud.

Semirrahge (January 17th, 2003, 3:56 pm)

I posted that in the wrong stinkin' thread. Ah well.

Ignore that one, read this one. :)

My nutty pimping idea is very nutty indeed: sponsor a link on Megatokyo. !!! Yeah!!!

I have no idea how much this would cost, so if we even want to sort of consider this I need to check that out, but basically I thought we could all pool some cash (how much do international wire transfers cost?) to pay for it. It would have to be later, too, because I don't think we are ready for THAT much traffic ATM.

Along those lines, I think we should back the TSFE issue 2 down a bit, and concentrate on the site. I'll get the FAQ written, work it out with Narain... We can get the noting system built... Etc.

Besides, it'd be good for me because I'm getting ready to move and start working steady, and I'm in a creative burn. This is good, yes, but the downside to being in a creative mood is the fact that I OVER create - I have so many ideas starting up that I can't deal with them, and I have a hard time selecting one individual idea to work on. :P

And this is a good time to try and get my idea implemented AGAIN... :P When I mentioned "comment tracker" I was not talking about the little notifier thingy. I want to see, in my ouevre, how many comments each work has. Views are less important, but I like having that too.

Narain's sieve idea r0x. Add some things though:

* A classification search (I.E. allow us to search for all stories that use the "Action" class)

* A keyword search (to search titles)

* If possible, a search for text strings. So, if I forget the name and author of the story that mentions William Gates, I can search for "william" and "gates"...

Anyhow - oh, and I love how you insist on hacking the thread HTML, narain. :P

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Hellkeepa (January 18th, 2003, 12:59 pm)


Do not back down issue 2, that's the worst thing you can do! You need to get a certain rhythm into the zine, and not until you have managed to do so will (more/many) people come to visit and re-visit the site. As it stands now it's pretty much only a site for those who are specially involved or interested, and in order to be of interest to "the man in the street" we need a certain layer of professionalism. That layer is not achieved by pushing back release dates and so forth, but by keeping them on the second. ;-)

As for some of the more general stuff, like writing a FAQ and such: I can help with it, just let me know what you need to be done and I'll tell you wether I can do it or not. :-)

Happy fraggin'!

That's right

Narainsbrain (January 19th, 2003, 6:32 am)

About postponing the Issue, it does sound tempting to wait until we get this site totally slicked out, and maybe get some more nonfiction done as well... But no. Once we start stretching deadlines like that, it's a slippery slope, and we know where that leads. Remember Issue One?

I'm with HK on this, though I don't think 'the man on the street' would have noticed a delay, since he hardly knows we exist. ;) But still, I say whatever we can do, we do it NOW. There are still three weeks to the release date, that's plenty of time to polish things out.

Anyway (we always have two or three topics running in parallel in any given thread, don't we?), comments in the Oeuvre is a good idea. The point (said Narain, snatching an idea and running off with it) is consistency. The submission details, i.e. classifications, submission date, no. of comments, that are shown in the Submissions area should ideally also be shown wherever the submission is named: in the Oeuvre, as latest submission in the Writers page, and in the Issue contents. Basically, keep one consistent layout for submission details, and use it everywhere.

And Semi, you like my thread-mangling? That's cool, 'cause I like it too. =D


cruise (January 19th, 2003, 1:18 pm)

Consistency is good....I like consistency.

What do we want a story entry to look like?

What information should it have?

Maybe a short and long versions?

I notice on the mock-up you did for dA, the story icons are replaced by words, and you list the categories for the this the recommended view? The detail view?

Decide on how a submission entry should look, and I'll put it everywhere.

No, that was just for the splash page

Narainsbrain (January 20th, 2003, 4:47 am)

I wanted to keep those little icons off the cover. (Well, it never occurred to me to put them in, but now that I think of it it wouldn't look good with them.)

Inside the site, we keep the icons. Short and long versions are cool... Then we could fit a short excerpt from the beginning into the long versions too. Nifty.

Um, I gotta go right now, but I'll have more on this later. And I promise to leave the HTML alone this time =)

The submission entries

Narainsbrain (January 20th, 2003, 12:00 pm)

Well, I thought about it, and apart from having excerpts I can't think of any other reason to have separate short and long versions. So scrap that; there isn't enough motivation for it.

Then the basic entry just turns out to be the present layout in the submission area. but with the classifications listed also, like on the splash mockup. And icons. And maybe the number of views as well. Do we want to keep date submitted? I guess we do. Just stick this layout everywhere, and that's that.

I have this overwhelming urge to post some HTML again, but I shall resist. *Be strong, control yourself!* ;)

And since you keep telling us you're very forgetful, I'll remind you about my Archive Sieve idea: you haven't said a word about it. Are you going to do that, or is it just too darn impossible?

Memory Sieve

cruise (January 21st, 2003, 11:29 am)

Oh's still on my list...that's effectively what I was planning on doing anyway, more or less.

And go on, play with the know you want to :P


cruise (January 21st, 2003, 12:45 pm)

Go check your oeuvre's...I've implemented the new standardised listing there for now, to give us a bit of feedback before I use it in more visible areas.

The comments optional, I can turn them on and off at will for each list.

It's ok, but there's not enough of a break between each item, I's a problem we have in a number of places...we have too many lists :/ Any suggestions, or am I just being overly critical?


Siedhr (January 21st, 2003, 5:57 pm)

looks good to me.

Yeah, pretty good...

Narainsbrain (January 22nd, 2003, 12:42 pm)

Except that in Oeuvres, you wouldn't want the author's name to appear over and over and over and over again =p

Also, putting headings into forms is not recommended (if not by the W3C, then at least by me!), so I'd ask you to put the Filter after the close of the h1. Also add a space between the icon and the title. Btw, I like how you put the descriptions in, it's very cool.

...Which brings me to another point. Actually, since I haven't archived or published anything in a while, I dunno if you've already done it, but I'm going to say it anyway. Most of the descriptions in the Submission section don't make sense out of context; they say things like "Rewrote the ending according to [someRandomTransferent]'s suggestions. I'm getting really tired of tweaking this, guys..." Now if it doesn't occur to me to change that, a guy reading the Issue it's published in, or my Oeuvre if I archive it, is not going to be very illuminated. My point, which I really need to come to immediately, is that on publishing or archiving the author should be presented with a textbox in which to enter a proper, sensible description that won't confuse the heck out of a random reader.


Siedhr (January 22nd, 2003, 6:04 pm)

I didn't want to make a new thread for this, but how do I clear my comments?

Clearing comments

Narainsbrain (January 23rd, 2003, 12:48 pm)

When you Edit your submission to replace it with a newer version, you'll see a checkbox at the bottom for clearing the existing comments.

Clearing comments

Siedhr (January 23rd, 2003, 1:04 pm)

I don't want to erase them, just make them not appear as new comments. like on DA.


Semirrahge (January 23rd, 2003, 4:03 pm)

It happens automatically. Leave the site and come back, and the page will only list changes made after last login. This works, though slightly odd - because any comments you make are made AFTER you log in, then next time you log in, they will show up as new to you. :)

Yep, that's it...

Narainsbrain (January 24th, 2003, 5:20 am)

Except, where Semi says "log in", he means "hit the front page". Which means, if you directly enter some internal page (like if you've bookmarked the fora or Submissions page), that doesn't register: it's like sneaking in through a back door. Everything that was 'new' the last time will remain new. (It also means that if you hit the front page twice in one session, all the 'new' markers will be erased... not good unless you've seen them all.)

Of course...

cruise (January 24th, 2003, 7:39 pm)

There's always the "update" link in your settings page, which will clear everything...

Of course...

Siedhr (January 24th, 2003, 7:44 pm)

gee, thanks. i had no idea.

'Course you didn't...

Narainsbrain (January 25th, 2003, 5:10 am)

That's because it isn't mentioned anywhere. =p We really do need a FAQ for this site.

Now, as I was saying...

Narainsbrain (January 25th, 2003, 5:14 am)

Too many things get lost in the underflow around here. I'll quote myself:

Most of the descriptions in the Submission section don't make sense out of context; they say things like "Rewrote the ending according to [someRandomTransferent]'s suggestions. I'm getting really tired of tweaking this, guys..." Now if it doesn't occur to me to change that, a guy reading the Issue it's published in, or my Oeuvre if I archive it, is not going to be very illuminated. My point, which I really need to come to immediately, is that on publishing or archiving the author should be presented with a textbox in which to enter a proper, sensible description that won't confuse the heck out of a random reader.

Uh yeah...

cruise (January 25th, 2003, 2:36 pm)

Or you could all just pay attention more :P

I'll add it to the list, but I ain't gonna give too high a priority just yet.

Narainsbrain (January 26th, 2003, 4:57 am)

Heck, isnt this an (almost) one-line fix or something? I'd think you could fix it in a jiff and get it out of the way.

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